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Celui qui se demande qui est le plus mauvais groupe belge en activité (II)

Permalien 11/02/09 15:15 , Catégories: Pol et Mieke

Allez, on va rigoler un peu… Quel est, selon vous, très chers lecteurs, le plus mauvais groupe (ou chanteur) belge en activité ? On pourrait épargner les musiciens amateurs et ne cibler que les artistes qui sont sous contrat avec un label et bénéficient d’un plan promo, comme on l’a déjà fait ici ou ailleurs, mais je souhaite cette fois inclure dans notre réflexion les groupes non-signés (un vivier dans lequel on peut finalement trouver encore pire que les Malibu Stacy, Tellers, Diplomat, Milk, etc., sur lesquels on tape d'habitude). Je vois d'autant moins de raisons de les préserver que je suis de plus en plus souvent sidéré par l’arrogance et les grands airs de musiciens débutants. J'en vois certains qui ne sont absolument NULLE PART et se croient pourtant au sommet parce qu’ils ont beaucoup de friends sur MySpace et qu’ils ont donné un concert triomphal devant cinquante potes aux Soirées Pruneau ou dans un bistrot quelconque en province.

Pour ma part, j’hésite entre nominer Hank Harry, le Charlot de la pop belge, dont les créations ont toujours frisé le néant absolu ; le projet solo de Jez Thomas de Perverted by Language (aussi sympa soit le gars dans la real life, ses truc me font pisser de rire) et les effroyables Vismets (la photo), ces cuistres pistonnés qui ont le mauvais goût d’allier prétention démesurée et absence flagrante de talent.

Et vous ? Faites péter des noms de groupes et des liens MySpace, qu’on rigole…

1191 commentaires »

1191 commentaires

Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
On peut déjà citer Draw Me A Cow (http://www.myspace.com/drawmeacow), qu'un lecteur a cité sous un post précédent et qui fait effectivement pitié...
11/02/09 @ 15:24
Commentaire de: popo [Visiteur]
Front 242?
11/02/09 @ 15:25
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
J'ai oublié de préciser qu'il est judicieux d'argumenter un minimum...
11/02/09 @ 15:28
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Ha j'ai l'impression que tu vas
encore faire un record d'audience.
11/02/09 @ 15:29
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Attention que pour être le plus nul
dans un truc (je crois que c'est
Coosemans qui avait dit ça), il
faut finalement avoir du talent !
C'est pas donné à tout le monde
d'être le plus mauvais.
11/02/09 @ 15:36
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
C'est pas faux.

Et sinon, CZ, tu nominerais qui, toi qui connait très bien cette scène ?
11/02/09 @ 15:45
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
En fait,finalement,
je ne la connais pas bien
du tout tu sais.
Mais les 2 trucs qui me font le
plus poiler, c'est Vincent Venet et
Saint André. Là, eux ils me
consternent.
11/02/09 @ 15:57
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Bah, il est tout mignon, Venet. ;)
11/02/09 @ 15:57
Commentaire de: Yû [Visiteur] Email
Les Vedettes.
Je veux dire, elles feraient passer Coosemans pour un homme.
11/02/09 @ 15:58
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Oui bien habillé je sais mais
bon ...
11/02/09 @ 15:58
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
En son temps, j'avais été aussi
sidéré par un truc qui
s'appelait Melon Galia. MAis
ça n'existe plus je crois.
11/02/09 @ 16:00
Commentaire de: Fab [Visiteur]
Saint-André il est Corse.
11/02/09 @ 16:03
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Saint-André est un groupe dont le chanteur est Corse, mais vu qu’il vit en Belgique, qu’il est signé chez Bang, que ses musiciens sont Belges (il a le même batteur que Jeronimo) et qu’il a même droit à sa « ukulélé session » pour LeSoir.be, on peut considérer qu’il fait partie intégrante de la scène belge.

Melon Galia n’existe plus mais plusieurs de ses membres se sont recyclés dans d’autres projets : Mièle, Samir Barris, Le Yéti (à ne surtout pas confondre avec Yeti Popstar !),…
11/02/09 @ 16:10
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
J'aurais plutot mis mon énergie a parler de trucs qui vallent l'écoute...

Graceland - Superbe en Live, et a ne pas rater aux Pruneaux-la avec SoundXS (5 Avril)
www.myspace.com/gracelandmusic

Sport Doen - Pure punk / rock et des betes de scene.
http://profile.myspace.com/sportdoen

Garner - Musiciens époustoufflants
www.myspace.com/gbdproject

Cinderella's Big Score - Aussi excellent live. Au DNA le 16 Avril
www.myspace.com/thebandcinderellasbigscore


Tchens Jérome - je retrouve plus ton projet de reprises dans mes liens Myspace?
11/02/09 @ 17:03
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
J'ai dernièrement reçu un truc qui s'appelle Patton. On dirait du Yes joué par Pavement. J'ai trouvé ça affreux!

Mais pas aussi affreux que Montevideo, Superlux et tous ces groupes jouant une musique (post-punk, electro, house...) à laquelle il est manifeste qu'ils ne comprennent rien et qu'ils touillent parce que trop vieux pour faire du sous Justice.
11/02/09 @ 17:08
Commentaire de: Glose [Visiteur] Email
Arno me gave depuis dix ans... Je ne sais pas si ça compte...
11/02/09 @ 17:35
Commentaire de: Simon Francis [Visiteur] Email
Très difficile de trouver le pire de ces groupes : il y en des tonnes ! :-o
11/02/09 @ 17:41
Commentaire de: Glose [Visiteur] Email
Les vedettes... non seulement c'est nul, mais c'est même pas drôle
11/02/09 @ 17:48
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
"J'aurais plutot mis mon énergie a parler de trucs qui vallent l'écoute..."

Pas d'accord, Jez. Entarter les pompeux cornichons, ça peut être utile aussi. Salutaire, même. Puis c'est intéressant de connaître l'avis des lecteurs sur le sujet.

"Graceland - Superbe en Live, et a ne pas rater aux Pruneaux-la avec SoundXS (5 Avril)"

Entièrement d'accord. Et Graceland sera avant ça au DNA le 14 mars.

"Sport Doen - Pure punk / rock et des betes de scene."

D'accord également, c'est un groupe dont j'ai souvent dit du bien, tout comme de Graceland d'ailleurs.

"Jérome - je retrouve plus ton projet de reprises dans mes liens Myspace"

C'était une blague, ça. Mais ça ne faisait rire quasi personne donc on a arrêté. ^^
11/02/09 @ 17:48
Commentaire de: Albo [Visiteur] Email
Saint-André, ouais, pour moi c'est le pire.
11/02/09 @ 18:17
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Je l'ai toujours ignoré, mais vous me donnez envie de l'écouter, là... :)
11/02/09 @ 18:32
Commentaire de: nestor arogian [Visiteur] Email
texas trauma ? ce que j'en ai vu sur la télé machinbrol frôle le consternant. absence de chansons, chant faux et accent risible. mais alors, le cirque dans la loge avec l'assassinat de kennedy et la danse des canards torse-nu...
pfffff ! et la bobonne qui fait les claviers qui dit qu'elle pourrait provoquer des texas trauma... j'ai encore mal au ventre tellement j'ai ri !
11/02/09 @ 19:05
Commentaire de: nestor arogian [Visiteur] Email
sinon, il y a encore une kyrielle de merdes intégrales qui se prennent pour la 8ème merveille du monde et qui n'ont rien à offrir à part la pose. ghinzu en est la plus belle preuve. vus récemment à la télé, on train de glander à l'ICP et donnant une interview de fils de p*** pseudo humoristique parce qu'ils n'ont rien en magasin. une balle dans la nuque de ce connard de stargasm et on serait tranquille.
11/02/09 @ 19:10
Commentaire de: pfft [Visiteur]
Ce serait cool d'avoir un minimum d'argumentation en effet...
11/02/09 @ 19:22
Commentaire de: Vinchiant Vané [Visiteur] Email
Je suis imbattable ! Vincent Venet cristallise toutes les critiques sur le copinage, la prétention, les attitudes empruntées et consternantes, le pousse-pousse promo et radio, la nullité abyssale etc etc...
11/02/09 @ 19:27
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
"texas trauma ? ce que j'en ai vu sur la télé machinbrol frôle le consternant. (...) le cirque dans la loge avec l'assassinat de kennedy et la danse des canards torse-nu..."

Et alors ? Au moins, ils ne se prennent pas au sérieux, eux.

"et la bobonne qui fait les claviers qui dit qu'elle pourrait provoquer des texas trauma..."

Ce n'est pas une bobonne et je l'en crois effectivement capable.

"une balle dans la nuque de ce connard de stargasm et on serait tranquille."

Tu apprécieras sûrement d'apprendre que deux des poseurs des Vismets sont ses cousins.
11/02/09 @ 20:31
Commentaire de: Simon Francis [Visiteur] Email
Foutredieu ! Les Vismets que je découvre via ce blog : la daube !!!!! :-o
11/02/09 @ 21:14
Commentaire de: gg [Visiteur] Email
je sais que tu aimes Jérôme mais Texastrauma est vraiment très mauvais !
c'est un vieux machin qui aurait dû sortir il y a 20 ans pour avoir du succés.
Ils presentent un projet depassé et je confirme, ça chante plus que faux !
12/02/09 @ 07:50
Commentaire de: pilou [Visiteur] Email
y a un groupe aussi KFka (je crois)
c'est d'un mauvais ce truc !
12/02/09 @ 07:52
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Ecoutez Texas Trauma sur disque, il n’y a aucun problème de justesse. Il est toutefois exact que certains passages du reportage de TV Com ne sont pas tout à fait à leur avantage (David était enrhumé…). A croire que le monteur s’est attardé sur les très rares petits couacs de leur prestation rixensartoise.
12/02/09 @ 08:31
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"Ce n'est pas une bobonne et je l'en crois effectivement capable."
Achtung hein Jérôme, tu connais
ma jalousie de sicilien.
12/02/09 @ 08:31
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Je me base uniquement sur ses déclarations face caméra ! :)
12/02/09 @ 08:45
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Attention je t'envoies deux torpedos
qui vont te couler dans le ciment.
12/02/09 @ 08:49
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
-> Je t'envoie.
12/02/09 @ 08:50
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Rhooo, voilà qu'il nous fait son De Niro dans Raging Bull.
12/02/09 @ 08:51
Commentaire de: pilou [Visiteur] Email
j ai pas vu ce reportage.
Quelqu'un peut me filer le lien?

Moi je me base sur un concert que j'avais vu au festival "nouvelle vague".
texastrauma, c'etait à chier, faut et d'un ridicule !
12/02/09 @ 09:40
Commentaire de: fabian [Visiteur] Email
oui il me font bien rire avec les chapeau de cow-boy!!
super look!
on comprend pourquoi Delvaux aime !
12/02/09 @ 09:43
Commentaire de: fabian [Visiteur] Email
Ecoutez Texas Trauma sur disque, il n’y a aucun problème de justesse. Il est toutefois exact que certains passages du reportage de TV Com ne sont pas tout à fait à leur avantage (David était enrhumé…). A croire que le monteur s’est attardé sur les très rares petits couacs de leur prestation rixensartoise.

@delvaux: les excuses à 2 cents !
12/02/09 @ 09:44
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Pilou :

http://www.tvcom.be/content/view/2328/377/

J'étais aussi au festival Nouvelle Vague, qui ne fut effectivement pas non plus leur meilleur gig (mon meilleur souvenir de Texas Trauma live reste le concert au DNA, début 2007...).
12/02/09 @ 09:49
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
"Jérome - je retrouve plus ton projet de reprises dans mes liens Myspace"

> C'était une blague, ça. Mais ça ne faisait rire quasi personne donc on a arrêté. ^^


Allez Jérome - c'et pas exactement fairplay ca! Y'a tout plein de gens qui tappent pas le bon public du premier coup - c'est pas pour ca que c'est forcément mauvais. Puis dand ce contexte ci, ce truc serait vraiement divertissant!
12/02/09 @ 10:01
Commentaire de: Sacré Belge [Visiteur] Email
"Il est toutefois exact que certains passages du reportage de TV Com ne sont pas tout à fait à leur avantage (David était enrhumé…). A croire que le monteur s’est attardé sur les très rares petits couacs de leur prestation rixensartoise.3 =>Roooo la mauvaise foi de Mr Delvaux!!! Allez allez, un peu d'objectivité voyons!! C'est bien de défendre ce qu'on aime mais il faut pouvoir reconnaître que le public puisse trouver un tel groupe aussi mauvais que tout les autres que vous critiquez!!! "J'en vois certains qui ne sont absolument NULLE PART et se croient pourtant au sommet parce qu’ils ont beaucoup de friends sur MySpace et qu’ils ont donné un concert triomphal devant cinquante potes aux Soirées Pruneau ou dans un bistrot quelconque en province." => oui, comme Texas Trauma à Rixensart par exemple ou des tas de machins ignobles devant quelques frustrés du DNA qui pensent voir les plus grandes merveilles du monde! Ahh quel manque d'objectivité ici parfois, c'est navrant. Mais bon, comme j'ai raison j'entends déjà les réactions prévisibles arrivées... Ca sent quand même fort la frustration et la jalousie par ici! Allez, à vos réactions prévisibles alors ;-)
12/02/09 @ 11:36
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Se faire traiter de frustré et de jaloux par le batteur de Showstar, ça la fout mal... :)
12/02/09 @ 11:40
Commentaire de: mathieu [Visiteur] Email
je suis assez d accord avec sacré Belge... tu aimes c'est bien (texasmachin) mais c'est loin d'être top !

finalement à part ce mauvais groupe, y a pas grand chose d'autre de cité !
12/02/09 @ 11:59
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Ah mais je n'interdis à personne de citer Texas Trauma comme "plus mauvais groupe belge", mais si c'est juste parce que je les aime bien, ça fait un peu bac à sable...
12/02/09 @ 12:07
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
C'est le truc bizarre, c'est qu'ils ont enlevé leurs meilleurs morceaux de leur MySpace. Je pense à PF Girl, à God bless anyone, à leur reprise de D.A.F., etc. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi...

CZ, une explication ?
12/02/09 @ 12:37
Commentaire de: mooo [Visiteur] Email
Texas trauma est nullissime, j'étais à Rixensart,c'est à pleurer de ridicule.Sound XS,ce que j'aime à leur morceau c'est qu'il ne pique rien,des samples de DM mal placés le morceau guitar héro qui est du daft punk de compil à 10 balles genre bontempi avec un sample d'une gonz qui joui,quelle connerie!
12/02/09 @ 12:37
Commentaire de: mathieu [Visiteur] Email
jerome je pense que tu fais plus de mal qu autre chose quand tu soutiens un groupe !
12/02/09 @ 12:54
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"CZ, une explication ? "
Bin chaucun ses goûts, que dire
d'autre.
12/02/09 @ 13:09
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Non, mais sur le pourquoi vous avez enlevé les autres tracks de votre MySpace...
12/02/09 @ 13:12
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Chacun, putain de clavier.
12/02/09 @ 13:13
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Juste pour changer un peu, on aime
bien les deux nouveaux morceaux sur
le My Space. Je ne pense pas que
P/F Girl ou un autre track changerait
l'avis des gens qui n'aime pas
notre style de musique.


12/02/09 @ 13:16
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
qui n'aiment pas, sorry mais je fais
2 trucs en même temps.
12/02/09 @ 13:18
Commentaire de: Dx [Visiteur]
Tchip, je peux pas répondre au gsm je suis en réunion ;-)
12/02/09 @ 13:18
Commentaire de: Candy Rato [Visiteur]
Sébastien, n'oublie pas rentrer le linge, ici ça drache vin d'joû
12/02/09 @ 13:25
Commentaire de: Raphaël Haubourdin [Visiteur] Email · http://www.myspace.com/gracelandmusic
Les critiques sont aussi là pour s'améliorer mais certaines interventions sont uniquement là pour blesser les musiciens et cela sous le couvert anonyme. C'est une attitude très méchante :-)

Quasiment rien de bien objectif les critiques...

Toutefois, merci de m'avoir épargné pour le moment ;-)


12/02/09 @ 13:27
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Je t'avais dit Jérôme que tu allais
encore battre des records !
12/02/09 @ 14:04
Commentaire de: Fmurr [Visiteur] Email
Les critiques faites pour blesser les musiciens sont évidemment le fait d'autres musiciens. Le milieu musical belge francophone se caractérise par son insignifiance, sa prétention sans bornes, son absence de talent, son individualisme forcené, sa bêtise abyssale et, pour couronner le tout, d'une forme frénétique de cruauté imbécile comparable à celle d'aveugles qui se moqueraient des borgnes.
12/02/09 @ 14:05
Commentaire de: Sacré Belge [Visiteur] Email
C'est vrai que c'est méchant...bouhhh...mais bon, Mr Delvaux s'embêtait alors au lieu de rédiger quelques chose de constructif, il s'est dit : "allons casser des trucs puisque moi je ne construis rien"! Et bings, ça déverse de la m....

Enfin pour Texas Trauma, c'est pas de bol, les prises de télé locale sont juste celle des moments où le concert n'est pas topn l'autre concert Nouvelle Vague n'est justement pas leur meilleur, les morceaux myspace sont justement pas les meilleurs,... C'est vraiment pas de bol...

Néanmoins, comme toujours c'est une question de goût et tant mieux si ce groupe a ses adeptes, comme d'autres qui sont critiqués en toute subjectivité par des "connaisseurs"! Le but est que tous ces groupes donnent du plaisir à une partie du public. Ceux qui n'aiment pas, n'écoutent pas et le sujet est clos.

Mais bon, comme on est ici chez un tenancier de bac-à-sable, ça sera toujours difficile d'atteindre ce genre d'approche.
12/02/09 @ 14:10
Commentaire de: Simon Francis [Visiteur] Email
"Ceux qui n'aiment pas, n'écoutent pas et le sujet est clos." : et c'est là que le Chevalier Coosemans débarque pour t'expliquer que oui mais non etc.
12/02/09 @ 14:24
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
"Les critiques faites pour blesser les musiciens sont évidemment le fait d'autres musiciens. Le milieu musical belge francophone se caractérise par son insignifiance, sa prétention sans bornes, son absence de talent, son individualisme forcené, sa bêtise abyssale et, pour couronner le tout, d'une forme frénétique de cruauté imbécile comparable à celle d'aveugles qui se moqueraient des borgnes."

Il ne nous reste plus qu'à demander notre rattachement à la France... :-(


12/02/09 @ 15:19
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Ou au Luxembourg... Ils parlent une drôle de langue mais ils sont pas chiants les luxembourgeois...
12/02/09 @ 15:21
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Mais ils n'ont pas de scène rock, là. C'est pas drôle...
12/02/09 @ 15:23
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Dis John, vous ête déjà un peu
français vous non ?
12/02/09 @ 15:23
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
C'est une rumeur née d'un cerveau malade et que je m'empresse de démentir ! Paris, ce n'est pas la France !

Sinon, tu savais toi que bobone parlait de zizi cassé face caméra ? Tu crois que Jérôme parlait du reportage ou de sa collection de sex tape ? ^^

A ta place, dans le doute, je lui péterais la gueule...
12/02/09 @ 15:26
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
John, comment es-tu au courant pour la sex-tape ?
12/02/09 @ 15:27
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Je dois péter la gueule à qui ?
12/02/09 @ 15:28
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
A John Stargasm ! C'est encore un coup à lui, ça... Ou au Mossad !
12/02/09 @ 15:29
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
John, comment es-tu au courant pour la sex-tape ?

Mais tu t'en vantes ici même avec tes allusions à base de "closeup" ou de "face caméra", je sais plus...

Je dois péter la gueule à qui ?

A tous, on cherchera à savoir pouquoi après... T'est carolo ou merde ?
12/02/09 @ 15:32
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
houlà, belle faute... ^^
12/02/09 @ 15:33
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
N'allez pas de nouveau stygmatiser
toute une population.
12/02/09 @ 15:34
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Ah ouiais, "stygmatiser" elle est pas mal non plus... :p
12/02/09 @ 15:37
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Je fous des y partout.
12/02/09 @ 15:39
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
Texas Trauma.
Je les ai vu à quatre reprises et je les trouvent tellement beaux(belle) que je ne parviens pas à me concentrer totalement sur leur musique.
12/02/09 @ 16:53
Commentaire de: My taylor is poor [Visiteur] Email
"Le milieu musical belge francophone se caractérise par..."

Une belle série de clampins.

Soit : Nom m. Personne qui marche en arrière des autres. Familièrement traînard, paresseux, individu, type.
12/02/09 @ 17:07
Commentaire de: sebastien [Visiteur] Email
putain vous pouvez casser du Milk!!
y a plus de régle ici ou quoi?
12/02/09 @ 17:14
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Je suis assez d'accord avec la définition faite par Jez...
12/02/09 @ 17:44
Commentaire de: yeti popstar [Visiteur] Email
Tiens on ne parle pas de velvet pour une fois héhéhé

Sinon l'observation de Jez est assez brillante :o)

bonne soirée les bloggeurs

12/02/09 @ 17:58
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Velvet dont on rappelle le concert évènement au DNA le jeudi 26 février (avec Miss Elorak en after-party). Vu l'importance du buzz, il est conseillé d'arriver assez tôt pour avoir une chance de pouvoir entrer.
12/02/09 @ 18:01
Commentaire de: vali [Visiteur]
Le plus mauvais groupe belge , c'est moi .
12/02/09 @ 18:23
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Ah ouais ? T'as un MySpace ? :-D
12/02/09 @ 18:39
Commentaire de: Riri [Visiteur] Email
Velvet...concert-événement...l'importance du Buzz.... Ohohoh, j'y crois pas. Trop fort ton monde de bisounours Delvaux!!! Ou comment créer des trucs là où il n'y a que dalle! Pfff...attendez, je m'étouffe de rire!
12/02/09 @ 23:32
Commentaire de: fabrice [Visiteur] Email
"Ca laisse 2 sortes d'actes: Ceux qui voudraient entrer dans l'enculade mais sont meme pas de nuiveau, et ceux qui s'en foutent royalement."

Une 3ème catégorie:
Ceux qui s'en foutent royalement et qui n'ont pas le niveau.

Bon... Comme Yeti lui-même a posté, je cesse de me retenir (de plus, j'en ai enfin le temps).

1/le sujet de Delvaux, populiste ou non?
On s'en fout. C'est son blog, pas pop-rock.

2/Pire groupe?
La réponse peut être objective OU subjective. Le fait de ne pas savoir jouer d'un instrument, de chanter faux ou d'être hors rythme peut être jugé objectivement. Jouer de la daube, jusqu'à un certain degré, cela reste subjectif.
Le Jez, il gagne sur les 2 tableaux.
Le truc, c'est qu'il est, quelque part, touchant. Les Inconnus singèrent naguère Partenaire Particulier et, ado, ça me faisait rire. Jez singe Gahan et je trouve ça 10x plus tordant.
Le reste, ça tient du goût. Je débecte le style de SoundX, Texas Trauma et caetera mais ça reste purement subjectif, bien conscient qu'ils doivent nourrir identique sentiment à l'écoute de ce que j'aime.

3/"rock" belge:
Je ne peux pas m'exprimer quant à la principauté mais, à Bruxelles, il n'existe la moindre "scène". Il n'existe de groupe désireux de créer une forme de collectif, synergie. Le sentiment de compétitivité est plus que présent. Il pourrait être source de motivation mais, malheureusement, ne l'est pas.
Les meilleurs contacts noués le furent avec des groupes flamands. La raison est simple, on ne risque pas de manger dans la même assiette. Je suis certain que Yeti ne me contredira pas. Les bonnes relations entretenues le sont avec des groupes "étrangers" ou jouant un tout autre style car ne risquant pas de se retrouver dans l'(infime)ombre de l'un ou l'autre.
Quelques exceptions toutefois:
Les Montevideo (surtout Manu et contrairement à ce que certains clament sans toutefois les connaître), Nestor!, 7pm et Austin Lace. Des gens au-dessus de tout esprit de compétition (à tout le moins dans le sens péjoratif/négatif), ouverts et avides d'échange.
La prétention et la suffisance sont, curieusement, bien davantage présentes dans le chef de "groupuscules"(JD, je ne fais que te rejoindre sur ce) que dans celui de bands "établis".
Penser que ce qu'on fait est fantastique est logique. Le jour où on pense le contraire, on se met au scrabble. Penser que les autres ne font que de la daube relève de la suffisance ayant pour source jalousie nourrie par un sentiment d'injustice du style "ça marche pas alors que nous sommes meilleurs que Montevideo, Showstar, Milk, GIH, ...".
Bouge branleur et do it yourself! Tu penses qu'ils n'ont pas bossé????!
13/02/09 @ 00:13
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"Le reste, ça tient du goût. Je débecte le style de SoundX, Texas Trauma et caetera mais ça reste purement subjectif, bien conscient qu'ils doivent nourrir identique sentiment à l'écoute de ce que
j'aime".

En fait non, même pas forcément.
J'ai certainement des goûts en
commun avec des gens qui déteste
notre musique. En fait ce qui est
un peu cocasse, c'est que la musique
a beau être un langage universel,
elle est autant séparatrice
(voir plus) que fédératrice.
13/02/09 @ 08:20
Commentaire de: Gorguedyl Cocu [Visiteur] Email
Le gros problème de Jez, c'est que ca ne donne rien de ce que j'ai entendu sur le web. En live, rien à voir.
La plupart des gens qui peste contre les qualité du type n'ont JAMAIS vu ce peye en live, moi bien et au moins 3 fois.
Si c'est vrai qu'il pousse sa voix dans les limites de l'acceptable, il est en effet touchant et sincère. C'est largement moins le cas sur scène !
C'est de plus dans la vie quelqu'un de remarquablement sympathique.

Le syndicat.
13/02/09 @ 09:03
Commentaire de: mathieu [Visiteur] Email
c'est quoi le groupe de Jez?
13/02/09 @ 09:38
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
C'est écrit dans l'article.
13/02/09 @ 09:44
Commentaire de: Bruxhell Underground Resistance [Visiteur] Email
Fabrice -> les Inconnus parodaient plutôt Indochine je crois... De plus je pense que contrairement aux Inconnus, le Jez n'a pas une démarche humoristique mais pense faire un truc sérieux et réussi... Il me rappelle Binbin, en fait.

Tiens, qu'est-ce qu'il devient, le bel angevin ?
13/02/09 @ 09:51
Commentaire de: mathieu [Visiteur] Email
je viens de visiter tous les myspaces.

Mes preferances vont tout de même à Vismets et Milk.
13/02/09 @ 09:59
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Tu dis ça dans quel sens, Mathieu ? :)
13/02/09 @ 10:22
Commentaire de: mathieu [Visiteur] Email
dans le sens ou ce que j'ecoute est le meilleur ou le moins mauvais !! par rapport aux groupes cités
13/02/09 @ 11:29
Bon - ben puisqu'on parle de moi...

Mon "project solo" n'est pas vraiement un project du tout - c'est principalement quelques trucs un peu brouillons que j'ai fait comme démos quand je cherchais un groupe. Ca m'a plutot surpris qu'on m'ait demandé de monter ca en live, et y'a meme eu quelqun a qui ca a vraiement plu. Mais soit...

J'ai besoin de sortir et faire du sport. Comme j'aime pas le foot, faut bien se tourner vers autre chose. J'ai trouvé une équipe ou je m'integre a mon nuiveau, et ca me permet de sortir et de rencontrer des chouettes gens.

L'autre motivation, c'est que j'en avais marre de payer des tickets de concert pour passer la moitié du temps au bar a me plaindre que la premiere partie était merdique. So put your money where you mouth is, comme on dit chez nous, et je suis parvenu a monter un truc digne d'une premiere partie au Fantastique Nights. Et ca, je le juge sur base du nombre de démos qu'on a vendu ce soir la.

Vous aimez ou vous n'aimez pas, mais un public, ca se respecte.
13/02/09 @ 11:30
"Penser que ce qu'on fait est fantastique est logique."

Non - tout sauf. Quand on est fouré en plein dedans, c'est impossible de prendre suffisament de recul pour etre objectif.

Trouver que ce que quelqun d'autre fait est fabuleux, oui ca c'est entierement logique. Et trouver quelqun qui trouve ca exécrable est tout aussi logique.
13/02/09 @ 11:53
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Bien sûr qu'il y a des gens qui aiment ta musique, Jez... Dans un premier temps, quand j'ai découvert ton existence en tant qu'artiste, j'ai même eu l'impression qu'il y avait une belle unanimité autour de Perverted by Language (je suis sérieux). Je n'ai jamais compris pourquoi car, pour moi, tu chantes faux et ta voix ne colle pas du tout avec la musique.
13/02/09 @ 11:55
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
D'accord avec Jez avec le fait que l'on a aucun recul avec ce qu'on fait...

Le risque c'est du coup de manquer de recul par rapport à ce que des "amis" peuvent raconter... Pour eux c'est souvent "super"... A moins d'avoir de bons potes qui savent séparer ce que tu fais de ce que tu es... Nous avons cette chance... :-((

En même temps, il faut bien y croire un peu et défendre ses options (mais c'est tout autre chose de claironer son génie, sauf dans un truc second degré à la gallagher...).

Bref...
13/02/09 @ 12:17
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
Très intéressant ce petit débat.
Surtout quand des membres de groupes concernés interviennent.
C'est clairement pour ça que j'adhère à ce blog et que je passais des heures sur Pop-Rock dans le passé.

Je suis aussi assez d’accord sur le principe que si un groupe y arrive, ce n’est pas par hasard.
Y’a du boulot, et pas qu’un peu. Pas toujours sur la musique, je l’accorde.
Entretenir son look, préparer de la promo, négocier du booking, … ce n’est pas rien.

Il me semble plus qu’évident qu’aujourd’hui on juge autant un artiste sur sa présentation, sa promo, sa mise en scène… que sur ce qu’il produit vraiment.
Et en fin de compte, ce n’est pas plus mal. C’est aussi une marque de respect pour le public que de faire un minimum d’efforts pour emballer correctement ce qu’on a à proposer.
Et dans ce domaine aussi il en faut pour tous les gouts.
13/02/09 @ 12:33
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Maintenant que ça se calme un peu
au niveau injures, on peut causer
plus "calmement". Pour un peu
embrayer sur ce que Jez disait,
j'atourais même que le processus
créatif (putain l'expression) n'est
que souffrance (dans mons cas en
tout cas), je ne suis jamais
satisfait de ce que j'ai fait (vous
allez me dire : à raison gros nul).
Une maniaquerie qui rend finalement
le truc vraiment douloureux.
Le problème est que si je ne fais
rien, je suis encore plus malheureux.
13/02/09 @ 12:59
Commentaire de: Sacré Belge [Visiteur] Email
Fabrice,
Micheline,

enfin des gens sensés, merci!

"Penser que les autres ne font que de la daube relève de la suffisance ayant pour source jalousie nourrie par un sentiment d'injustice du style "ça marche pas alors que nous sommes meilleurs que..."

=> Tout a fait d'accord, ça confirme bien aussi ce que je pense de l'état d'esprit de ce Mr Delvaux, pauvre frustré derrière son écran alors que tous le groupes qu'il "casse" s'en foutent car ils s'éclatent sur scène!

Au prochain cassage alors.
13/02/09 @ 13:01
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"tous le groupes qu'il "casse" s'en foutent car ils s'éclatent
sur scène!"

Oui bien sur, mais ceux qu'il ne
casse pas aussi hein.
13/02/09 @ 13:08
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
Dommage que le Delvaux ne présente pas son projet de reprises un peu disjantées en live - ca serait une bonne occasion de s'éclater et boire un verre ou 2.
13/02/09 @ 13:11
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Maintenant que ça se calme un peu au niveau injures, on peut causer plus "calmement".

Dieu merci tu es revenu ! J'ai eu peur que tu nous fasse un plan à la Curtis...

Pour un peu embrayer sur ce que Jez disait, j'ajouterais même que le processus créatif (putain d'expression) n'est que souffrance (dans mons cas en tout cas),

Ben pas dans mpon cas. Mais on a pas tous la chance de bosser avec gore... :-)))

je ne suis jamais satisfait de ce que j'ai fait (vous allez me dire : à raison gros nul).

A raison gros nul...

Une maniaquerie qui rend finalement le truc vraiment douloureux. Le problème est que si je ne fais rien, je suis encore plus malheureux.

Tout d'abord votre truc roule, je vous l'ai dit (à mon avis subjectif d'à moi, comme dirait l'autre).

Ensuite, la maniquerie, c'est aussi le plaisir de la musique, y revenir jusquà l'usure, jusqu'au nerf du truc... travailler l'instinct et s'y fier... et puis basta... Duboulot, oui... de la souffrance, pas nécessairement... (en même temps, je m'esquinte aps les doigts sur une guitare, moi).
13/02/09 @ 13:14
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Oui John, mais rappelle toi ce que
tu m'avais dit un jour (du
temps d'Absynthe je crois), une nuit
entière passée à chercher le bon son
de kick.
13/02/09 @ 13:17
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Il me semble plus qu’évident qu’aujourd’hui on juge autant un artiste sur sa présentation, sa promo, sa mise en scène… que sur ce qu’il produit vraiment.
Et en fin de compte, ce n’est pas plus mal. C’est aussi une marque de respect pour le public que de faire un minimum d’efforts pour emballer correctement ce qu’on a à proposer.
Et dans ce domaine aussi il en faut pour tous les gouts.


98% d'accord avec toi... Le 2% c'est pour ceux qui font passer l'attitude avant la musique... Qui se la jouent guitare hero avant d'avoir tiré un truc correct... Sauf quand le propos c'est l'attitude, bien sûr...
13/02/09 @ 13:18
Commentaire de: Gorguedyl Cocu [Visiteur] Email
tout à fait CZ, dès lors quand j'entends un bon kick, un bon snare dans un morceau en début ... je le sample !
13/02/09 @ 13:23
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Oui John, mais rappelle toi ce que
tu m'avais dit un jour (du
temps d'Absynthe je crois), une nuit
entière passée à chercher le bon son
de kick.


Mais c'est toujours comme ça!!! C'est pour ça qu'on ne publie pas au km, même si c'est quand-même pas d'une complexité immense ce qu'on fait...

La différence, c'est que ce que je vivais plutôt mal à l'époque (parce qu'au fond, c'est l'ensemble qui posait problème), réveille aujourd'hui un côté "geek/feak jouissant"...

Revenir, s'éverver, vider un thermos de café, regretter d'avoir arrêter de fumer, avoir envie de tout envoyer ballader en se disant que tout le monde s'en fout... et puis trouver un équilibre, sentir qu'on s'en approche... le pied !

Et recevoir des échos positifs de deux trois types que l'on estime (dont un qui viendrait pousser la chansonnette) ça fait tout oublier... Comme un acouchement (même si j'ai pas vécu ça), tu ne penses plus qu'à ce qui est fait...

Bon maintenant c'est notre trip... je comprends que tu le vives autrement... Mais c'est marrant parce que je te vivais vachement instinct...
13/02/09 @ 13:24
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Désolé pour ce post long, insipide et autosatisfait... Faut croire que je me fais vieux...
13/02/09 @ 13:25
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Mais non , tu l'as fait d'instinct
mon p'tit bonome (rire).
13/02/09 @ 13:28
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
"Penser que les autres ne font que de la daube relève de la suffisance ayant pour source jalousie nourrie par un sentiment d'injustice du style "ça marche pas alors que nous sommes meilleurs que."

Et le simple sentiment de "consommateur floué", t'en fais quoi?
13/02/09 @ 13:35
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Mais non , tu l'as fait d'instinct mon p'tit bonome (rire).

Quelqu'un qui me comprend, snif !
Cz, que fais-tu ces 30 prochaines années ? Redonnons-nous une chance ! Partons loin, faisons un enfant, vivons de notre art, nus mais heureux...
13/02/09 @ 13:45
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Heu ... T'es vachement instinctif
toi quand même !
13/02/09 @ 13:46
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
Ce bon vieux Serge - fallait bien quelqun pour nous rapeller le Con dans Consommateur.
13/02/09 @ 13:48
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
"Ce bon vieux Serge - fallait bien quelqun pour nous rapeller le Con dans Consommateur."

Le con de consommateur te rappelle surtout que te branler seul dans ton coin au milieu de tes potes émerveillés est une chose, convaincre au-delà du cercle d'intimes et de convaincus, une autre.
13/02/09 @ 13:50
Commentaire de: Billy Jr. [Visiteur] Email · http://www.etron.be
Les gars, pas de gestes inconsidérés, j'appelle SOS suicide pour vous.
13/02/09 @ 13:53
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
JOHN : Tout a fait d'accord avec toi, l'emballage ne doit en aucun cas prendre le dessus sur son contenu.
Des musicos sont quand même avant tout sur scène pour proposer de la musique.

CZ : T’as pas tout à fait tort non plus quand tu dis que les accouchements en matière de production musicale sont souvent douloureux.
La période de gestation est en effet souvent plus longue que prévue.
Le plus difficile étant pour ma part, de mettre mon bébé dans les mains de quelqu’un d’autre sensé le faire grandir dans les meilleures conditions.
J’aimerais tellement pouvoir tout maitriser, de la première idée au mastering final.
Je n’en n’ai malheureusement ni les moyens (matériel) ni le temps. C’est très frustrant.
13/02/09 @ 13:56
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Tu es dans quel groupe, toi, Micheline ?
13/02/09 @ 13:56
Toujours d'actualité, l'excellent comics de Etron, sur la déprime en milieu belgo-rockeur! (planches 33 et suivantes)
13/02/09 @ 14:06
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Tiens , en compulsant votre Bd,
ça me fait penser à un truc :
vous connaissez boulette et
Fricadelle ?
13/02/09 @ 14:10
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
Hmmm. Guttered by the gutter press.
13/02/09 @ 14:10
Commentaire de: Billy Jr. [Visiteur] Email · http://www.tube8.com
Cher CZ :
Non,qu'est-ce?
13/02/09 @ 14:12
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
"Guttered by the gutter press."

Hohoho, l'alibi à deux balles cinquantes.

Tu veux un chicon d'or, c'est ça?
13/02/09 @ 14:12
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
JD: Ce que je peux te dire c'est que j'ai déjà partagé la scène avec les Texans et aussi avec Cruise Ctrl ;)
13/02/09 @ 14:13
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Vas-y, fais la promo de ton groupe... Les autres parlent à visage découvert.
13/02/09 @ 14:17
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
-> Billy
Bin une bd un peu trashoïde qui
pourrait vous plaire.
13/02/09 @ 14:18
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"JD: Ce que je peux te dire c'est que j'ai déjà partagé la scène avec les Texans et aussi avec Cruise Ctrl ;) "

Moi je crois que j'ai deviné mais je
dirai rien.
13/02/09 @ 14:20
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Anouk Weber ?
13/02/09 @ 14:20
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
Tu as déjà bien trop fait la promo de mon groupe mon brave JD.
En faire plus deviendrait gênant.
13/02/09 @ 14:21
Commentaire de: Bruxhell Underground Resistance [Visiteur] Email
Il n'y a donc que des musicos sur ce forum...
13/02/09 @ 14:22
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"Il n'y a donc que des musicos sur ce forum... "

Oui, et tu vois comme on s'aime bien
tous hein ! Cette franche
camaraderie. Cette entraide mutuelle.
Ce corporatisme ! Ha que c'est beau.
13/02/09 @ 14:23
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
JOHN : Tout a fait d'accord avec toi, l'emballage ne doit en aucun cas prendre le dessus sur son contenu.
Des musicos sont quand même avant tout sur scène pour proposer de la musique.


Et d'accord avec toi pour dire qu'ils doivent aussi proposer quelque chose à voir...
13/02/09 @ 14:28
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
Non mais Jez, t’es pas un peu guignol de tirer comme ça le débat sur un terrain personnel et insultant ? Ce que j’avance, c’est pourtant pas sorcier et encore moins stupide : au bout de la chaîne créative, il y a le consommateur et celui-ci peut juger votre travail selon des critères qui ne sont pas ceux du musicien. Il n’y a aucune frustration, ni jalousie là-dedans : il y a juste le fait que cela plaise ou non et éventuellement que cela soit bien ou moins bien fait que chez d’autres.
Selon moi, le critique, ce n’est jamais qu’un consommateur éclairé. Certainement pas un donneur de leçons (sauf pour dénoncer les coulisses) et encore moins un relais promotionnel. Cela dit sans aucune animosité, je n’aime pas trop Texas Trauma parce qu’ils me semblent pasticher une époque révolue plutôt que de jouer avec les recettes EBM comme peuvent le faire des Français comme The Hacker, Fixmer ou Caretta. C’est trop carré, il manque du swing et je parle là en tant que consommateur, qui en connaît tout de même un brin dans le genre.
Après qu’on en ait à foutre ou non de ce que j’avance, ce n’est pas un problème. Un problème, ce serait d’avancer que je suis motivé par la frustration et la jalousie, ce qui est une excuse aussi courante que fondamentalement effroyablement prétentieuse (Coljon la ressort tous les 3 jours, d’ailleurs !)
13/02/09 @ 14:30
Commentaire de: Billy Jr. [Visiteur] Email · http://www.tube8.com
M. Coosemans, pas de geste inconsidéré, j'appelle SOS suicide pour vous.
13/02/09 @ 14:33
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
Tu te pendras avant moi, ne fut-ce que pour faire jaser!
13/02/09 @ 14:36
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Bin oui, ça serait comme dire :
toutes les personnes qui "consomment"
de la musique sont tous des
musiciens refoulés. Ils n'ont donc
pas droit de donner leur avis puisque
refoulés. Enfin si j'ai bien pigé.
13/02/09 @ 14:38
Commentaire de: Billy Jr. [Visiteur] Email · http://www.tube8.com
M. Coosemans, restez poli, je ne vous ai pas invité à me tutoyer.
13/02/09 @ 14:43
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
"Il n'y a donc que des musicos sur ce forum... "

Oui, et tu vois comme on s'aime bien
tous hein ! Cette franche
camaraderie. Cette entraide mutuelle.
Ce corporatisme ! Ha que c'est beau.


Ta gueule Cz...

Sinon Micheline, tu est pour moi entourée d'un halo de mystère troublant...
13/02/09 @ 14:43
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
Oui, il y a de cela. Accuser les critiques de jalousie, j’ai toujours trouvé cela aussi stupide que prétentieux. Ce n’est jamais qu’un piteux « vos gueules, vous n’y connaissez rien », ce qui reste à démontrer, même pour un non-musicien. Combien de projets branlos qui ne plaisent qu’aux professionnels de la profession mais ne rencontrent AUCUN public. Alors, bien sûr, parfois c’est du au manque de moyens promotionnels. Mais plus souvent et plus simplement à l’inanité du projet, aussi…
13/02/09 @ 14:44
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"Alors, bien sûr, parfois c’est du au manque de moyens promotionnels.
Mais plus souvent et plus simplement à
l’inanité du projet, aussi…"

je vais peut-être de nouveau me
faire incendier, mais à ce propos ,
allez jeter un oeil dans les
centres culturels proposant par
exemple du jazz moderne. Musiciens
au top mais pas blindé les gradins.
13/02/09 @ 14:48
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
Je pensais effectivement surtout au jazz en avançant cela, qui est une scène tenue bien davantage artificiellement envie par les pouvoirs publics que le rock et encore moins l'electro.
13/02/09 @ 14:50
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
en vie

rogndju de clavier quantique :D
13/02/09 @ 14:50
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
JOHN: Mystère ? Ce n’est pourtant pas si difficile avec les indices que j'ai déposés.

CZ: Nul doute que tu m’as identifié.
13/02/09 @ 14:52
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"CZ: Nul doute que tu m’as
identifié."
héhé, botus et mouche cousue.
13/02/09 @ 14:55
Commentaire de: debbie pinson [Visiteur]
Et quid du cas d'un pote qui pense que ce qu'il fait est génial, alors que c'est inabouti, qui prend la mouche lorsque j'use de toutes les précautions diplomatiques d'usage pour lui donner, à sa requête expresse, mon avis sincère, et qui trouve encore le moyen de se plaindre de son insuccès, tout en crachant sur à peu près tout ce qui a été produit par les autres depuis 1992...

Je l'abat?
13/02/09 @ 14:59
Commentaire de: debbie pinson [Visiteur]
'Tention les mecs, le jazz actuellement, c'est avant tout un délire de musicos pour les musicos qui s'éclatent entre eux lors de jams.
13/02/09 @ 15:02
Commentaire de: Billy Jr. [Visiteur] Email · http://www.tube8.com
Change de pote.
13/02/09 @ 15:02
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
Vous niquez l'ambiance avec votre Jazz là.
Pas vraiment envie de parler de musique qui se lit un vendredi après 15h.
13/02/09 @ 15:24
Commentaire de: debbie pinson [Visiteur]
"change de pote"

c'est ça le problème: malgré tout je m'y suis attaché.

(par contre si cette discussion parvient à ses oreilles, on pourra vraiment appeler SOS suicide pour de bon...)
13/02/09 @ 15:31
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Micheline, Parade Ground ?
13/02/09 @ 15:54
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"Micheline, Parade Ground ? "

Bingoooooooooo !
13/02/09 @ 15:55
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
"Micheline, Parade Ground ?"

Plouf ! Désolé

CZ: Tu me déçois là.
Moi qui était prêt à te préter mon transfo pour ta table de mix.
13/02/09 @ 15:59
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
Maiissss nooon, c'était pour
brouiller les pistes, épaissir le
mystère ...
13/02/09 @ 16:01
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
En plus , les mecs de Parade Ground,
ils ne sont pas trop causants.
13/02/09 @ 16:02
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Ca peut-être pas être JL, il fait pas de fautes, lui...

JM Mélot, c'est toi ?
13/02/09 @ 16:14
Commentaire de: Gorguedyl Cocu [Visiteur] Email
sur Myspace, ils le sont en tout cas... causant
13/02/09 @ 16:19
Commentaire de: michel, analyste pop-rock, également président du club des gens qui ont un avis sur tout. [Visiteur] Email
"Combien de projets branlos qui ne plaisent qu’aux professionnels de la profession mais ne rencontrent AUCUN public. Alors, bien sûr, parfois c’est du au manque de moyens promotionnels. Mais plus souvent et plus simplement à l’inanité du projet, aussi…" : combien ? Il faut demander au gros dégueulasse de Pierre Adam.
13/02/09 @ 16:20
Commentaire de: Bruxhell Underground Resistance [Visiteur] Email
Serge n'aime pas Texas Trauma mais il a donné une tribune à CZ pas plus tard que la semaine passée sur Popo-Rocky-Mousse...
13/02/09 @ 16:25
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"Serge n'aime pas Texas Trauma mais il a donné une tribune à CZ pas plus tard que la semaine passée sur
Popo-Rocky-Mousse... "

Ca doit être ça la tolérance.
13/02/09 @ 16:27
Commentaire de: Micheline [Visiteur] Email
Franchement désolée pour les fautes.
Ce n'est pas dans mes habitudes, mais là, je reconnais que j'ai fait fort.

Sur ce, bon we les filles !
13/02/09 @ 16:29
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Connaissant les lascars, ils se sont empressés de la renvendre (la tribune) à la brocante de jumet pour s'acheter des chapeaux de cow-boy...

Sinon, Micheline, je cale (non, ce n'est pas un jeu de mots)... Si tu es une fille et que nous t'avons croisé sur scène, tu es soit la danseuse nue de Tantrum, soit Miss Veronika ou un membre de Milk... Sinon, je ne vois que "bobonne" et encore...

Pour le rteste, c'était plutôt masculin comme entourage...
13/02/09 @ 16:30
Commentaire de: Gours [Visiteur] Email · http://www.mistercover.be
De un le plus mauvais que j'aie vu sur scène : Ghinzu... Beurk...
De deux : J'adore Texas Trauma... D'ailleurs, s'ils cherchent un deuxième claviériste... Je postule...
Hein Cz... ??? Allezzzzz ?
13/02/09 @ 16:30
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Pour le "reste", donc...
13/02/09 @ 16:30
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Pour l’open mike à CZ sur Pop-Rock, j’ai joué l’entremetteur mais c’est Serge qui, à ma grande surprise, avait pensé à Texas Trauma pour sa nouvelle rubrique…
13/02/09 @ 16:33
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
A ne pas manquer demain sur Pop-Rock : open mike à Frédéric Cotton !
13/02/09 @ 16:34
Commentaire de: John Cruise [Visiteur] Email
Pfffff! ça va causer gothique...
13/02/09 @ 16:44
Commentaire de: Candy Raton [Visiteur]
C'était très bien, merci pour tout.
Maintenant place aux amoureux pour le weekend le plus torride de l'année.
On se voit aux journées portes ouvertes des abattoirs du Bota, la semaine prochaine?
13/02/09 @ 17:36
Commentaire de: Cz [Visiteur] Email
"De deux : J'adore Texas Trauma... D'ailleurs, s'ils cherchent un deuxième claviériste... Je postule...
Hein Cz... ??? Allezzzzz ? "

Oui mais alors vous incluez des
reprises de nous dans votre set !
13/02/09 @ 17:57
Commentaire de: MarcD [Visiteur] Email
Bon il manquait plus que Albin et moi, j'arrive quand tout est fini bien entendu, mais au fond c'est toujours le même débat remis au goût du jour, même si les noms des intervenants ne changent pas beaucoup au final.
13/02/09 @ 22:23
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Bien vu, Marc.

Mes stats étaient un peu en baisse, donc je me suis dit que c'était le moment de relancer ce genre de sujet. ;)
13/02/09 @ 22:25
Commentaire de: MarcD [Visiteur] Email
et c'est gagné :) c'est un sujet vendeur
13/02/09 @ 22:38
Commentaire de: Gwen Steph [Visiteur] Email
... et le pire, c'est que plusieurs des écrivains de ces commentaires seront à la Boutik Rock dans quelques jours en trina de faire la pute..
Bref, ils se reconnaissent...oui oui toi et toi..et toi aussi! Mais je suis pareil, t'inquiète, on vient juste passez son temps ici pour dire qu'on fait le contraire de ce qu'on fait vraiment!
A dans quelques jours donc!
13/02/09 @ 23:59
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Ce sera sans moi, cette année... Même si pour Thot et Auryn, j'aimerais bien.

Quoique, j'avais déjà dit l'an passé que j'irais pas et je me suis quand même retrouvé dans les couloirs du Bota, en fin de nuit, à toiser tout le monde (tu te souviens, Raph ?). ;)
14/02/09 @ 00:02
Commentaire de: Club Dirty [Visiteur] Email
Moui, Thot c'est un vieux projet qui avait du sens au tout début, maintenant c'est lamentable.
Beaucoup de manière mais peu de bon trucs.
14/02/09 @ 11:52
Commentaire de: Russel [Visiteur] Email
Quand on voit certains articles sur pop-rock on peut se demande si Delvaux a vraiment quitté le site ou s'il le dirige dans l'ombre...
14/02/09 @ 17:21
Commentaire de: kozmik [Visiteur] Email
Tu veux dire qu'il tire les ficelles dans l'ombre?
14/02/09 @ 17:44
Commentaire de: Serche C [Visiteur] Email · http://chupapoprosmani.com
Hahaha, la grrrande paranoïa du web!!!

Jérôme s'est occupé sur p-r des deux derniers invités du samedi parce que je n'avais tout simplement pas le temps de le faire. Rien de plus, rien de moins!
14/02/09 @ 18:04
Commentaire de: Russel [Visiteur] Email
Donc il quitte le site mais continue d'y bosser quand t'as pas le temps ?
14/02/09 @ 18:20
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Y bosser, c'est un grand mot... J'ai surtout recommandé des contacts à moi pour la nouvelle rubrique. So what ?
14/02/09 @ 18:46
Commentaire de: kozmik [Visiteur] Email
Tu nous ferais bien un petit post pour la soirée de promo du DVD de La Muerte au DNA.
15/02/09 @ 01:12
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Tu me l'apprends. ^^

Je n'ai plus été au DNA depuis samedi passé...
15/02/09 @ 11:21
Commentaire de: BruxHell Underground Resistance [Visiteur] Email
Tu as donc manqué Aqua Nebula Oscillator hier...
15/02/09 @ 18:22
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Oui, il parait que c'était d'enfer, avec plus de 200 entrées payantes (un record absolu pour le DNA) et un groupe sous LSD.

Cependant, un romantique comme moi ne va pas dans un tel lieu de débauche un soir de Saint-Valentin... ;)
15/02/09 @ 18:39
Commentaire de: My taylor is poor [Visiteur]
Tiens ! Les Vismets, on dirait, de gauche à droite : Marcel Cerdan, Edouard Baer et le blondinet qui jouait l'elfe dans le Seigneur des Anneaux.
15/02/09 @ 21:30
Commentaire de: Elio van Reynders de Milk-Ket-qui-t'emmerde [Visiteur] Email · http://www.myspace.com/femmefataletribute
J'avoue que j'ai eu du mal avec les Vogues et leur côté 'fringues/secondDegréDébile' jus'qu'à lire les commentaires récurrents d'un des peïs du groupe sur ce blog, me faisant à l'idée qu'ils devaient ne pas être si 'saisis' (à la liégeoise) que ça.

Des avis/observations/commentaires/réactions assez intéressantes fûrent postées plus haut. La subjectivité étant l'océan sur lequel tangue cette conversation (fort longue) de bloggueurs bourrés/pétés/make it up je vais me permettre, Benoît Poelvoorde m'ayant autorisé, une observation malgré ma mauvaise peau d'alcoolique heureux.

Je n'ai jamais eu autant d'admiration/attentes/réactions provoquées/surprises/fanatisme qu'en trippant sur Etron.

La lower-middle-class-se-la-jouant-éduquée était de facto obligée de réagir agressivement (terrain connu de ceux qui réagissent de la façon la plus virulente à leur contenu?!), bon coup de provoc pour les pseudo-intellos de gauche qui votent à droite, et fascination de ma part et de la part de tous mes comparses (musicos ou non) à qui je présentai le trip Etron (en terminant à chaque fois par la vidéo en noir et blanc dans la cuisine, quelle merveille, lynchez les Dardenne illico).

Nous aussi vômissons les subsides, adoptons le plan marketing du punk de base à savoir: imprimer et graver soi-même, n'en avoir rien à foutre de ce qu'on nous promet, envoyer chier toutes les logiques artistiques virtuelles (postage de jams sauvages, de trips douteux, justifications profondément fondées sur de la mauvaise foi), mais lorsqu'il nous arrivât Etron nous ne pouvions retenir une trique d'Âne rien qu'à l'idée d'aller détruire de précieuses guitares au Montenegro à bord d'un Camping Car taggué, loué au prix fort, juste pour notre (ton?) bon plaisir.

Chaque chose en son temps, un jour nous aussi on vômira d'un camion sur lequel on aura monté notre matos et qui ne fera qu faire des allers retour Toison d'Or-Porte de Hal.

Coq-à-l'âne: Jérôme, je suis obligé d'admettre que tu flirte dangeureusement avec le mauvais goût le plus infâme au travers de tes conjectures de vestons noirs/pin's/aller trop souvent chez le coiffeur pour être bien neo-existentialist/ChurchVsAldenVsConverse /
bref cause pas trop de mode, laisse ça aux gonzesses, divague plutôt sur le son c'est plus intéressant...

Bijour à Missîeü Serche,

Et à vous tous,
Que le bonheur reigne sur vos neurones et vos diverses shyzophrénies

(ok bon je vais relire tout ça recta)
17/02/09 @ 05:25
Commentaire de: Elio van Reynders de Milk-Ket-qui-t\'emmerde [Visiteur] Email · http://www.myspace.com/femmefataletribute
De deux choses...l'une:

ma tirade sur la lower-middle-class qui réagit violemment à Etron tient certes du raccourci/allegorie DonaldRumsfeldienne, mais je persiste et signe qu'ils réussissent là où tant d'autres maladroitement se plantent. A savoir: susciter une réaction.

Deuxio: Jéjé tu me diras "mais alors quid de Femmefatale qui tente de choper du blé sur un site comme celui dont on parlait l'autre jour par mail"?!
Juste une expérience anthropologique ayant pour but de confirmer le conditionnement des masses pour tout ce qui 1)brille 2)sent bon la moule 3)sent bon l'argent/la découverte géniale à moindre risque 4) le consensus.

C'est qui qui vous suce?
17/02/09 @ 05:33
Commentaire de: Elio van Reynders de Milk-Ket-qui-t\\\'emmerde [Visiteur] Email · http://www.myspace.com/femmefataletribute
(en tout cas c'est pas nous)
17/02/09 @ 05:34
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Bonjour Stanley,

C'est bien ton père qui est le photographe auteur du portrait des Vismets ci-dessus ? Si oui, le monde est vraiment petit... :)
17/02/09 @ 09:53
Salut Jérôme,

Non ce n'est pas mon père mais bien mon petit frère qui a officié.
Tu sais bien, Bruxelles n'est pas très grand.
17/02/09 @ 13:51
Commentaire de: C'est énorme [Visiteur]
Starving me semble atteindre des sommets. Même si en Live j'ai pu ,il y a quelques années (concert près de l'ultime atome en extérieur avec darko)me rendre compte que ce groupe avait un potentiel certain,et que la chanteuse quelque part m'excite assez,leur album est affreusement masterisé et surfe sur une vague "Indo-Visage revival-gothique sous tranxène-et imagerie Hello kitty" qui frise le ridicule. Ce n'est que mon avis bien sur. Ce qui est important: L'industrie du disque Belge, ce n'est pas le nirvana. Derrière,qu'ils se la pêtent ou non,des musiciens qui bossent comme des malades (HPS,etc) et les GIH qu'ont critiquent, bien qu'ils surfent sur les beach boys (humour) ou surtout sur Grand daddy,ont la volonté de percer,ce n'est pas un crime selon moi.
18/02/09 @ 18:42
De grands oubliés dans tous les noms cités ci-dessus: la quasi-intégralité du catalogue de Moonzoo Music (le "label" du gros monsieur de Machiavel).

La plus grosse arnaque belgo-belge à ma connaissance... Le monsieur repère les groupes uniquement via leur myspace (il ne va jamais voir un concert), pour la plupart de grands débutants, leur fait payer 15000 euros en "coproduction" pour enregistrer dans SON studio, leur colle une énorme production dégueulasse pour gommer toutes les erreurs, et les laisse se débrouiller tout seuls pour la suite...

Résultat en live: un beau paquet de daubes insipides quand monsieur prod n'est plus derrière, des showcases de sortie d'album au rayon machines à laver du Mediamarkt de Gosselies (cf le lien ci-dessus!), etc.

Quelques noms: Bobble Head, The Aim, Draw Me A Cow...
23/02/09 @ 16:02
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
Le Mediamarkt de Gosselies, c'est d'un glamour...
23/02/09 @ 21:32
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
STP KD - va pas mettre The Aim dans le meme tas que ces 2 autres. T'as écouté?
23/02/09 @ 23:57
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
(autoreplique) Heu, oui, mais ils sont quand meme sur le meme label.
23/02/09 @ 23:59
Commentaire de: KD [Visiteur] Email
Jez: oui, j'ai écouté, je les ai même vu en concert...
25/02/09 @ 09:14
Commentaire de: La foufoune qui parle [Visiteur] Email
Draw Me A Cow, c'est incroyable.
Tout ce qui vient de Ath est lamentable, mais Draw me a cow c'est d'un mauvais !!!!!!
25/02/09 @ 11:20
Commentaire de: Jez [Visiteur] Email
A moins que je ne me trompe, Graceland est originaire de Ath.
25/02/09 @ 14:59
Commentaire de: Jérôme [Membre] Email · http://jerome.delvaux.net
De Leuze-en-Hainaut, à ma connaissance.
25/02/09 @ 23:53
Commentaire de: ion [Visiteur] Email
Qu'avez vous exactement contre la voix de Jez? je l'ai vu avec Perverted By Language en premiere partie de For Against aux Fantastique Night, et franchement , j'ai trouvé ca pas mal du tout.

Pour ce qui est des preformances de merde: tout ce qui se fait avec des platines.
24/03/09 @ 11:05
Commentaire de: Ronny Poubelle [Visiteur] Email
Je suis tombé par hasard sur cet article. Je me suis bien marré car cette critique acerbe est bien écrite. Ceci dit en lisant les coms ça confirme ce que je pensais du milieu musical belge francophone : on est tous à surnager dans la merde et plutôt que de voir une aubaine dans l'ascension d'un autre groupe on préfère le retenir pour qu'il reste patauger dans la merde, avec les autres. Le rock belge francophone est un rock socialo.
02/04/09 @ 10:05
Commentaire de: estelle [Visiteur] Email
Concernant starving, on sait qu'ils ne sont pas appréciés de beaucoup, pourtant, critique que je suis, et ayant fait un tour sur leur site internet, c'est ce que j'ai entendu de plus sympa en musique "belge". ça m'étonne qu'ils ne soient pas plus médiatisés que "vismets", "soldout" parce que EUX, c'est mauvais et c'est du piston.
03/04/09 @ 13:33
Commentaire de: Le cycliste [Visiteur] Email
La voix de Claudia est horrible en live. Horrible.
C'est maniéré au possible, et surtout vraiment pas original.
C'est pas avec des paroles chaudes qu'on fait de bonnes chansons.
Mais bon, ces gens là bossent pas mal. Ils méritent une certaine estime.
Sold Out ?
...euh les blagues courtes sont les meilleures.

Le meilleur groupe belge, c'est K-Branding.
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